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My usual betting pattern is to bet against the seven; that is, I cover every number with the appropriate place or buy bet, make a line bet with full free odds, and then also throw a small bet on every throw onto the furthest outside numbers. Today I put a $10 horn high ace-deuce bet on, in addition to my other numbers, but was wondering if the better bet is to put $7 onto the C and $3 onto the E? (Or some close combo.) If a the player hits 3 or 4 numbers without sevening out, I will start making come bets and backing those with the full odds generated from the place bets that come in.
Perhaps the better bet to the horn or the C&E combo is to bet the $10 in the field on every throw? More payoffs with the addition of the 4, 9 and 10, but less when the 2, 3, 11, or 12 come in.
Your thoughts will be welcome.
Craps can be an intimidating game for the beginner. The table seems to have about a hundred different kinds of bets, the players are barking out commands in what seems to be a foreign language, and the pace is too fast to ever ask a question. I can sympathize with the beginner, because at one point in time this was how craps appeared to me. One roll bet on either designation (C) stands for Craps (E) stands for eleven. The C&E bet is a wager where the player is betting on any Craps number (2, 3, and 12) or the Yo (11) to hit. The “C” portion of a C&E is exactly the same as the Any Craps. Unlike the other proposition bets in the center section that are labeled with rectangles, the C&E is labeled on the layout with 16 sets of two circles for the “C” and the “E” (i.e., eight sets are at both ends of the table).
If you must bet a prop bet the field is the best if it pays triple on the 12, but I would bet it sparingly, not on every roll. I think a dollar on the props every once in a while is fun, but if you bet $5-$10 regularly on those you will begin to hear a 'giant sucking sound.'
Once I read that definition, I never bothered to make any of them.
My betting pattern is to bet against the red, if the dice manage to avoid the dreaded seven on a greater than expected basis I believe one can still make money even making horn bets. The point of my question is to deduce the best way to minimize the house edge in my bets on those four furthest outside numbers.
Of course it is a sucker bet, until it starts hitting. One fellow threw four 11s in a row yesterday. On the last roll one guy had $300 on the 11, pressing some of his winnings from the previous rolls. I was just collecting my $22 every throw with my $10 horn high ace-deuce.
My betting pattern is to bet against the red, if the dice manage to avoid the dreaded seven on a greater than expected basis I believe one can still make money even making horn bets. The point of my question is to deduce the best way to minimize the house edge in my bets on those four furthest outside numbers.
Often times people here would rather dissuade you from betting your bet than answer, but I think the Field Bet is not a bad option for what you want to do. As long as the 12 pays triple, under 3% is better than a lot of bets in the casino. I don't know why the Field gets so disparaged. If you are really looking to protect those outside numbers, that's the best bet. It isn't even close.
Of course it is a sucker bet, until it starts hitting. One fellow threw four 11s in a row yesterday. On the last roll one guy had $300 on the 11, pressing some of his winnings from the previous rolls. I was just collecting my $22 every throw with my $10 horn high ace-deuce.
It's a sucker bet when it starts hitting, as you don't get paid even close to the true odds... when it doesn't hit it just another losing bet :)
For the 2/3/11/12 to be worth while you have to be hititng them 15% more than normal (if I recall). Thats a lot as they are rare numbers anyways. The Field would do the trick (it's what I'll place if I'm wanting to follow a shooter hitting the outsides all the time). You've only got to avoid the center numbers 2-3% more often than normal.
Often times people here would rather dissuade you from betting your bet than answer
I don't mind, I asked for discussion and welcome all sincere answers. Frankly the wisest advice of all is to avoid casino gambling completely, I know and recognize that. But since I am going to indulge in certain vices, such as betting on the furthest outside numbers, my goal is to do it the best way I can.
I think the Field Bet is not a bad option for what you want to do. As long as the 12 pays triple, under 3% is better than a lot of bets in the casino. I don't know why the Field gets so disparaged. If you are really looking to protect those outside numbers, that's the best bet. It isn't even close.
I think I am coming around to this view. Even a short pay field at 2x on the 2 and 12 (which is what my local shop has) comes out to a 5% house edge, give or take, which is a lot better than the 11% or 16% edge on the Horn and C&E bets.
It's a sucker bet when it starts hitting, as you don't get paid even close to the true odds... when it doesn't hit it just another losing bet :)
For the 2/3/11/12 to be worth while you have to be hititng them 15% more than normal (if I recall). Thats a lot as they are rare numbers anyways. The Field would do the trick (it's what I'll place if I'm wanting to follow a shooter hitting the outsides all the time). You've only got to avoid the center numbers 2-3% more often than normal.
Yep, anything in the middle of the table is a bad bet. I fully recognize that. In my betting pattern I might throw $10 there, while having $200 in place bets or even $500 in come and odds bets on a long roll. The closer the bet is to the inside, the more I will put on it. But strange things happen. A couple weeks ago in AC I had a long roll of my own that mainly consisted of me banging on the 4, 6, and 10 (something like hitting each of them 4 times). I had come bets out and when I finally sevened out after winning $1500 or so and throwing three points (a 6 and two 9s), I looked at the board and realized I had never thrown a 5 or an 8 in the entire roll, my original place bets had gone untouched. On the original point of this thread, in that session I was doing a C&E bet for $10 a throw.
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Just came back from my local casino $1500 to the good.
The real tragedy: you actually came back from the local casino several hundred dollars to the BAD, and the worst part of it is, you probably didn't even notice it. To wit: you bet $5 on 11. It hit. They paid you $75. Yay! But the odds against you were 17-1, not 15-1. They underpaid you by $10, and that's how they make their money--by underpaying winners. Thus, the prop/outside numbers/field bettors are not only taking the worst of it, but they are REALLY getting hammered when they win (a $5 place bet on nine gets underpaid by $1; a $5 bet on 12 gets underpaid by $25!).
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So if you hit a lot of your horn bets, hardways, etc. in the course of your winning session, you got hosed out of hundreds of dollars in the process. I know it's 'fun' to hit an eleven or a hard six, but that fun comes at a huge price. Ultimately, if I make a $5 bet with a 10% house edge, I am handing the casino $5 and they immediately hand me back $4.50. That's all it amounts to, mathematically, and practically.There is really very little point in offering advice, since you are consistently/chronically making just about the worst bets available on the table. You can get action with the best bets on the table for less than one-tenth of the price (house edge) that you are paying now. Playing your way is like driving across town to fill your car at a gas station that charges $40 a gallon.